One thing that is getting way too much undeserved attention in the media is the subject homophobia. Oh, someone said the f word, better get out the equality card and use the same old "born this way" argument. These gay pride parades, these banners telling people that gays are here to say, the opposing groups referring to them as "faggot" and "dikes". And you must chose a side otherwise you are either a homophobic or a "queer lover". Being neutral makes you the target of much abuse, you must either love the idea or hate the idea, indifference is not an option. You have both sides arguing over who is right, and you will one or the other depending on your cultural beliefs. But why can't we all just take a step back and ask "why can't people just mind their own bloody business?". Both sides are wrong in their approach to this issue. I will now put into perspective what the anti-gay groups are saying in protest to pop stars cashing in on a trend with songs like Born this way and unconditionally. What more is there to say about the anti-gay groups that hasn't been said....oh i know....the bloody truth. The anti-gay groups are traditionalists and purist who believe in the age old concepts of female and male reproduction. And before some idiot says, "Our society should be that", i tell that idiot that i am not talking about love, i am talking about nature. No matter what people say, you need a male and female to make a baby unless you are asexual but that is very unlikely. Society did not decide on males and females marrying, it was in the nature of our species. You will not have same sex couples in nature because animals have intercourse for reproduction more so than pleasure. Species exist on this planet to leave offspring that is fit to leave more offspring, why should humans be any different. Parents feel love for their child because they are naturally designed to feel love. However evolved or above other species we humans think we are, the fact is we still have those fundamental instincts that every other species on the planet has.
Lady Gaga's song born this way is asinine to an extent surpassing the American voting system. Her song is saying there is nothing wrong with being gay which is understandable but she is saying people are born homosexual. Lady Gaga just told Rene Descartes and Charles Darwin to kiss her ass because she is now a biologist and a philosopher. The fact of the matter is, every "fit" organism whether be it human or herring is born programmed with the chromosomes and characteristics of two parents(a man and a woman) and thus given the tools necessary to develop and pass on those characteristics to the next generation. Heterosexuality is not what is right in society it is a scientific fact, these "feelings" men feel for women are natural because there is a chance of offspring.
Rene Descartes said "I think therefore i am", what separates humans from others is choice. Humans can stray off from other species because we have something that other species are missing, humans have reason and therefore they have reasonable doubt. The ability to question nature is what makes humans different.Katy Perry was right, love is unconditional but love does not have to mean you must have sex with that person. Intercourse has one purpose and one purpose only to make babies, and you can only make babies with the opposite gender therefore the concept of homosexuality is redundant. Humans have the ability to reason logical or illogically therefore we will do things that contradict nature.
We can contradict nature but nature is always right in the end, but that hasn't stopped us but going against nature does have consequences. What is the answer to the question "Is homosexuality wrong?", if you look at from a logical perspective then "Yes" would be an easy answer but if you look at it from a human perspective then the answer is fallible and the best thing to do is not to ask the question at all. But humans question and questioning lead to controversy which leads to conflict.
Questions....i don't want any conflict so i ain't asking any!
One. Get your facts straight.
ReplyDelete1.Homosexual and bisexual behavior has in fact been observed in animals. And example of this is mating or necking between male giraffes which does happen often.
2.There is also a middle ground. It's called tolerance. It's called "Minding your own bloody business" as you put it. Mind your own relationships and not care about what other people are doing in theirs instead of insisting that these different relationships aren't right.
3.These anti-gay groups that insist on opposing LGBTQ relationships on the basis that these relationship can't produce offspring is faulty logic. You cannot argue nature in separation from love in the case of the LGBTQ community because they don't care. LGBTQ people are in these relationships because they are attracted to these people and love these people. The LGBTQ community knows that their relationships can't produce "true" offspring, and they're not trying to anyway! They use adoption or surrogate parents. To insist that the only relationship that should exist is one that does produce children is like saying you should give up all your same-sex friends because you can't make babies with them.
Two. I think it is very cowardly of you to post this without questions. You aren't giving a people the option of stating their own opinion or challenging you. Your post is completely one sided. If you didn't want any conflict maybe you shouldn't have posted this in the first place!
Alright lets do this.
Delete1) I have seen a dog having sex with a rabbit, that is due to the dog confusing the rabbit for a female. If animals show any chances of homosexuality they have failed in their only purpose and therefore they do not have the right to be called fit.
2) Tolerance is not a middle ground, tolerance still means one side holds contempt the other. Neutrality or indifference is the middle ground ad that's what i want.
3) I agreed that love is unconditional and you can spend your life with whomever. Love does not mean you must have sex with them, the media today is just wrong there. And if you are not trying to have offspring you have failed your primary goal as an organism on earth. That is irrefutable scientific fact. Humans are straying away from other organisms and that is leading to the destruction and reconstruction of our species.
That last sentence was there to prove a point and it also leads in to my next blog post.
1) Take the example of rams mating with other rams, they could not possibly mistake the other ram for a female, since a ram has horns and an ewe does not. (You can look up both my examples online)
Delete2) In this case tolerance and indifference would be the same or CLOSE to the same thing. Tolerance is allowing LGBTQ people to do what they want and indifference is not concerning yourself with the personal lives of LGBTQ people and thus allowing them to live their own lives.
3) Lets reverse what you just said. "Love does not mean you have to have sex with them,..." Having sex with someone does not mean you have to love them. The reversed statement is still true. So as long as an organism produces offspring they are considered "successful" right? So under that criteria you would consider rape victims and under-aged brides to be "successful" humans right?
You cannot say that being homosexual makes an organism unfit because there are many other possibilities that would make a human, animal or any other organism unable or unwilling to reproduce (which, I'd like to point out, LGBTQ people CAN, just not necessarily with their respective partners). For example, single people, nuns, or even couples who just don't want to have children are all different kinds of people who DECIDE not to reproduce. Even having sex these days doesn't necessarily mean you are trying to produce offspring (safe sex people)! And just an example of how homosexuals can fulfill your requirement of having offspring, take Neil Patrick Harris and his soon to be husband, David Burka. They used a surrogate mother and now are raising twins. This, I would say, is the complete package: they love each other, they get to have sex with each other, and they are raising children together who are actually their biological offspring.
Here's a link to an article on Neil Patrick Harris' and David Burka's children.
Deletehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/29/neil-patrick-harris-reveals-whose-sperm-was-used-in-twins_n_802317.html
Your logic is flawed, you have no proof to support the rams except word of mouth. I have Charles Dickens and Darwin supporting my ideas. But for 2 and 3 my response is the same as it was before.
DeleteChelsey, I get what you mean by saying the middle ground is tolerance, but you can't as what you said mind your own business when (if I tie this back to the media and society) if you're not for the LGBTQ community, your against and automatically considered a homophobe. The way the LGBTQ community stuffs down everyone's throats you must accept us and like us, it's hard just minding your own business.
ReplyDeleteThe whole idea homosexual behaviour has been observed in animals is true, but you have to realize our biology isn't wired the same as other animals. What is considered homosexual behaviour like females mating or two males partnering for animals might not be against biology of that species. Whereas two men who sleep with each other does defy what is natural. See the difference.
Waleed, I don't find your post to be completely one sided as it does have points for the LGBTQ community and ones for the anti-gay's, unlike what Chelsey said, which is" Your post is completely one sided"
-Lydia
Interesting post Waleed. I'd have to agree with you and Lydia when it comes to there being no middle ground. I for one don't care much about people's personal choices. When the topic does come up, and i state my opinion, that i don't really care. I'm almost always accused of being either gay, or a homophobe, when in fact I'm neither and it really annoys me.
ReplyDeleteOn top of that I do feel that Gay "pride" and acceptance is being pushed extremely and probably too hard. Not saying that I disagree with the acceptance movement but throughout the 4 years i have been in high school I HAVE NEVER seen one GENERAL anti-bullying assembly or presentation. Rather over a 10 count of Anti-Homophobia presentations. When i asked why bullying in general wasn't done. They replied that is was also apart of their program/mission, but the only thing I heard was that we should accept and love gay people. I felt really resentful after that for while because bullying in general causes more suicides than strictly homophobic bullying.
As for the scientific part of this arguement, i don't know much, nor do i care much.
I would like to clarify on why I believe that Waleed's post is one-sided.
ReplyDeleteFirst, Waleed says that the amount of media surrounding homophobia is undeserved. This is his personal opinion, immediately followed by what I assume to be a sarcastic remark about using the term "faggot".
My opinion on this is that the amount of media on homophobia is not undeserved because homophobia is very present in our society and does result in some very terrible consequences. (In 2011 there were at least 11 cases of LGBTQ teens in North America (most of which were from Canada) who had committed suicide because of homophobia.)
Secondly, he says that what he states about the anti-gay groups is "the bloody truth." This led me to believe that in addition to stating points for anti-gay groups that he also believes these points to be right and true. All statements after that point in the post are in favor of anti-gay groups. Although this is what Waleed said he was going to do, put perspective to what anti-gay groups are saying, the post is still one-sided because there is nothing in favor of the opposite side.
I really cannot even tell where the line is between the anti-gay perspective and Waleed's opinions.
I understand your point Chelsey, but points like
Delete"Her song is saying there is nothing wrong with being gay which is understandable "
"Rene Descartes said "I think therefore i am", "what separates humans from others is choice. Humans can stray off from other species because we have something that other species are missing, humans have reason "
""Is homosexuality wrong?", if you look at from a logical perspective then "Yes" would be an easy answer but if you look at it from a human perspective then the answer is fallible "
is what I believe Waleed used to support the LGBTQ community. The points might not have been as strong as the anti-gay ones, but their still their to support the LBGTQ community, so the post doesn't look one sided.